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    [2022] Week #11 - 1 PM

    Reshad got tired of losing
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    [2022] Week #11 - Saturday Morning

    Pitt still hasn't missed a bowl, wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo @TheLiberator
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    [2022] Tanking?

    I've actually changed my view on tanking a bit. I used to think it was definitely the optimal strategy in the MLB/NBA but now I'm not so sure. Take the 76ers. Maybe with Hinkie things would be different, but their core is all sorts of fucked up because it depended on who came out in the draft classes where they picked, half the time they took giant busts anyway, and now their core players can't shoot very well comparatively at all in a league where shooting is now the most important thing. They're a good team that I doubt will win a championship anytime soon. Meanwhile, teams like the Raptors are competing with Kawhi Leonard who was taken #15 and the Warriors didn't pick in the top 5 once to build their core (KD was technically the #2 pick, but I maintain they had their best season without him). Giannis Antetokounmpo, who many consider the future #1 player in the league, was also taken #15. It seems that development is way more important than just getting a high pick. While tanking does increase your odds of getting a good player for the future, it would certainly stunt their development if they have to play with a worse team unless they're LeBron caliber. Tanking in baseball has caught on since the Astros and Cubs won the World Series, but now that everyone knows about it I don't think it's as effective. The Padres, who some think have the best farm in a long time right now, had their #1 prospect by far come from a salary dump trade with James Shields and a giant part of the farm was built up through international signings which is possible whether you're tanking or not. The Yankees managed to rebuild without having a losing record - although part of that is due to their resources. I think it might be more effective in sims like this just because things are computer generated so things like locker room effects and reputation aren't as drastic/long-lasting as they would be in real life. I still wouldn't do it because it's not any fun, though.
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    [2022] Week #11 - TNF

    Ha ha poor Rams, the only team this year way underperforming expectations
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    Do you dream?

    I live in a dreamatorium
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    [2022] Week #10 - 4 PM

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    [2022] Week #10 - Saturday Evening

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    NFL Playoffs Discussion - Wild Card Round

  9. No poll this week unless I can get 2 replacement pollsters. Lemme know here or in PM via site/discord if you'd want to, will be a few hours until I can get the form to you though unless you can get someone else to send it to you.

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    [2022] Week #10 - TNF

  11. First and last time an 81 overall goes #1 overall. No Wegrets tho
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    Special Teams: A Roundtable

    Agree with you on the defensive teams but at some point it's too much added detail for no real benefit. I actually prefer the exact opposite as far as K/P, as I don't think the difference in the power of a punter's leg makes a huge difference in the long-run whereas their ability to place the ball is much more important; I'd also rather have a kicker who can make the longer field goals if I need them.
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    [2022] Week 9 PAC-12 Superlatives

    I'm going to push TMac's shit in this week for not wanting to come play for me
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    [2022] Week #9 - Saturday Night

    True freshmen secondary stepping up, just 10 total points allowed in the last two games! True freshman DT2 Christian Callahan also with 3 TFL and the sack. Future's looking good defensively
  15. 1. Bowles - good riddance 2. Joseph 3. Wilks 4. Gase 5. Koetter 6. Marvin Lewis to be replaced by Hue Jackson
  16. This is a RIGGED WITCH HUNT, USC is clearly better and the refs gifted Oregon the game. You are fake news.
  17. Hard to say, the success of the Steelers RBs recently has me a bit worried he's a product of the o-line, but I think Conner is also pretty damn talented in his own right so it's hard to say. For a team like the Jets he's worth it. The last Jets offensive skill position Pro Bowler was like 15 years ago, they need the talent infusion. The team's GM has been structuring most giant deals with an out after 2 seasons, so if it's structured that way even if it pays him a lot guaranteed I wouldn't have much an issue.
  18. He should play for the Jets (I am very unbiased). After all, he is definitely at his absolute physical peak after an entire year of getting drunk and smoking blunts. I think Jets, Colts, and Texans are probably his best fits. I'm guessing he'll make ~$15 million a year.
  19. (Format shamelessly stolen from this article because it's a good format - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2018/2012-nfl-draft-six-years-later) At the time, considered the best top of the draft in NFLHC history, the 2017 NFLHC Draft... has not quite lived up to the hype it was once given. It's possible that none of the Big 3 QBs that were taken in the top 5 will be starting at this time next year, although most of the big skill position players worked out to some extent. The depth of this class was... bad to say the least, and overall it didn't work out. But still, with contracts expiring this is an interesting time to look at how the players in the class worked out. Quarterbacks Conventional Wisdom: The big three all had their favorites. Some preferred Oklahoma's Norris Brooksheer, some preferred North Carolina's AJ Jefferson (I was in this camp), and some preferred Iowa's Jarius Jones. Brooksheer was coming off a Heisman season, AJJ was the first big early declaration from the first generated recruiting list, and Jarius had long been a stathead favorite. All three had their pros and cons but everyone thought at least one would pan out compared to what was looked at as a weaker 2016 class (that perception has since flipped). Lawyer Johnson was the most intriguing of the next tier with the highest Wonderlic score recorded by a QB up to that point, and following up the pedigree of Wisconsin QBs set by the Rams' Darrell Murphy and the previous year's #1 pick, the Jets' Erik Wegert. Pitt's James Dale had some hype, and he was the only one to defeat 2016's national champs Notre Dame, but his first round hype was mostly just smoke. Alabama's Erasmus McCready had some love but most just thought that he was a product of the incredibly talented team around him. Some were fans of some of the later round QBs. NC State's Donald Caldwell was a winner despite some of the lack of talent around him. Colorado State's Robert Martin came from a smaller, less competitive conference but put up some incredible stats. Washington's Anthony Newson, despite his low rating, did manage to make it to the national championship in 2016. Dick Cook, Sam Light, and Glen Spencer, all of whom were terrible, all managed to get drafted. At least Spencer was intentionally converted to WR. Highest Pick: Brooksheer, 1st overall to the Bears. Best Player: This is a tough one, because all of the top three did not pan out, Lawyer Johnson didn't either, and none of the late round QBs are sniffing playing time any time soon. The big three are the only three still starting so I'd think it would come from them. Overall, I would have to give it to Brooksheer. Even though he'll be kicked out the door and probably won't be starting for an NFLHC team next year, and the other two of the big three are significantly more likely to still be starting for their respective teams in 2021, he's performing the best of the three of them and has shown the most glimpses of being a passable starter. He's led a Bears team that shouldn't have been sniffing playoff contention pretty damn close, although it's been 5 years and he hasn't done that; his overall stats have been not great but the most consistent; and frankly, I don't think the other two are particularly good although AJJ's 2021 stats are technically the best. Biggest Bust: All three of the Big Three really, but I'd have to go with Jarius Jones. I don't think it's particularly his fault, but going to expansion team Arizona seems to have ruined any potential he had completely. He was just okay for three years, somehow got traded for two first round picks, and has been completely stinking it up in Seattle over the past two years. He's been significantly worse than the other two this year with just a 14 TD - 13 INT ratio. Honorary mention to Lawyer Johnson who was kicked out of New England pretty quickly after getting benched for Bad Davis last year. Best Value: Erasmus McCready was a third round pick and he's starting on a team that could make the playoffs. Let's ignore the 4 TD - 4 INT ratio in 9 starts, but that's still pretty passable for a third rounder. 6th round pick, UCLA's Ken Eller had a decent starting run in Philadelphia for a bit despite most people not even knowing who that was, and he honestly wasn't terrible for quite a time there. The pick right after Eller, USC's Mike Thomas got traded for a 4th round pick this offseason before stinking up the joint for the Giants. He's looked good in preseason at least. I'd honestly give it to McCready just for his game manager ability that Eller and Thomas don't have. Running Backs Conventional Wisdom: Despite having 3 81s and 2 80s, this was looked at as a relatively weak runningback class. Oregon's Shawn Anderson was generally considered the top RB in the class pre-combine, and none of the RBs really peaked out past him. Anderson had a pretty incredibly college career but there was some worry about tread on the tires. Syracuse's Chester Dorenbos and and FSU's Mike Latta were typically considered in the top three backs with, similarly to the QBs, everyone having their favorite. The class did have some decent depth. 81 overall RB who would eventually go in the 5th round, Northwestern's Michael Shoemaker, was good in college, but there were serious concerns when he ran a 4.68 40 at the combine. UCF's Buzz Etcheverry had his fans (see: el formulo™) and the next tier, while all high overall, were not considered particularly promising prospects: Arizona State's John Harris was just okay in college in a weak defensive conference, Purdue's Joseph Bowen was solid at the combine with decent production, and Missouri's Eddie Anderson was great in college but there were concerns he was carried by QB Aaron Shea (spoiler: he was). Some were fans of NC State's Jeff Collett and especially lower overall Notre Dame product Nick Engelberger, who was perceived as having carried the Irish to the national title. Highest Pick: Latta, 47th overall to the Panthers. Best Player: It's easily Latta. I wasn't his biggest fan at the time but then-Panthers GM randye clearly made the right pick. There were some rumblings about whether he'd stay in Carolina over his relative lack of workload, but he did recently sign a 3 year / $26 million deal to stay with the team. A threat in the receiving game and also to break one long, Latta is overall a pretty good fit for the Carolina offense. No other back sniffed a starting job for more than a couple of seasons, although Engelberger did have a decent run in Pittsburgh - but Latta is significantly ahead of the pack in all production metrics. Biggest Bust: Well, no runningback went in the first round so no huge busts. That said, the only other second round running back was UCF's Buzz Etcheverry... and he was not good for the Texans. After a disastrous rookie year in Houston, where he managed just 4 YPC behind what was rated the league's second best offensive line, he started just one game in Houston in his second season before he was traded in what amounted in a cap dump to Cincinnati, who had just drafted Ron Thomas and had no plans to start him. He didn't get a single start afterwards and is currently 3rd string in Kansas City. Honorable mentions to Dorenbos and Anderson, both of whom went in the third round and only effectively managed to hold down starting jobs for a season or two. Best Value: Surprisingly, taking the low overall Engelberger in the draft at all did work out, as he put in three seasons of starting football for expansion team Pittsburgh. He was actually pretty decent in '17 and '18 before putting up below 4 YPC in 2019. After the Chester Henson trade he was cast aside and is now the backup in Cincy. Collett also has managed to start a couple of games in Washington. Wide Receivers Conventional Wisdom: Recently FBS-added North Texas had a hyped start on their hands - one Sean Jenkins, who destroyed defenses in his only FBS season to the tune of 15+ YPC and 15 TD next to fellow starter Allen Allen. Some did prefer Oklahoma's Tai Miller to Jenkins, as he had put up an even better YPC (16.3) though with half the touchdowns. Those two were clearly established at the top as future stars, but there was also considered to be some good depth in the first round tier of receivers. Penn State's Mark Harrington, while disliked by his coach, put up a 17 YPC with 10 TD for 1100 yards and added 2 kick return TDs and a punt return TD along with it. He had perceived big play ability. Miami's Sonny Beckett was a combine darling, running an incredible 4.23 40 with a 42 vertical leap. He only had 44 receptions as a senior but he still managed 864 yards thanks to QB Paul Davenport's big arm. Some liked Michigan's Gordon Kleinsasser and Baylor's Eddie McFadden, the former with a good combine for a target receiver and decent college production and the latter with production concerns (just 33/462/2 as a senior) but who also blew up the combine. Highest Pick: Jenkins, 4th overall to the Saints. Best Player: We're 3/3 on the highest pick being the best player thus far. Jenkins is quite arguably the league's best receiver and has given QB Aaron Devereaux a consistent big play threat and target to throw to. He leads this class in yards and TD by quite a margin and has been a 2019 and 2020 Pro Bowler and 2020 All-Pro selection. Biggest Bust: It's close between Harrington and Kleinsasser. Both of them put up 3 seasons of productive for their respective teams, though that's primarily due the nature of NFLHC depth up to this point, before receiving minimal playing time in their fourth seasons and moving to a new team in their fifth season and getting buried on the depth chart. I'd give it to Kleinsasser as his production was a bit worse and the fact that he's actually declined in overall since being a rookie. Best Value: 4th round pick Aaron Pagliei actually had a 1,000 yard season for Detroit in 2019, but has mostly been minimally used since in both Detroit and in his new home in Chicago. Although 3rd round pick Hines Mertens has just 94 yards this year, he put up 1,000 yards and 8 TD as a rookie before putting up close to that in the next 3 seasons. 2nd rounder Cotton Lewis caught 10 TD in 2020 before being moved to New Orleans for a 4th round pick and another receiver. But the honor of being the best goes to Miami 3rd rounder, Greg Cobb from Cincinnati. He exploded with 900 yards and 10 TD as a rookie, got buried on the depth chart in his 2nd year, before proceeding to put up 1200 yards and 10 TD in 2020 while already being at 1272 yards and 14 TD to this point in 2021... and the year isn't even finished! Outside of Jenkins and Miller, Cobb has the most career yards in this class, though some of that can be attributed to playing with Brian Brown. Tight Ends Conventional Wisdom: This was a relatively weak tight end class. Following the failure of Danny Patrick from the prior class, people were a bit scared to pick tight ends, and with just 3 getting combine invites the strength of the class just wasn't there. Only three went in the first four rounds. Georgia's Tony Huff was typically considered the best in the class due to his blocking ability and superior combine to the other two, although he had pedestrian college production. Auburn's Kelly Littleton had some teams interested in him for raw athletic potential, but he had just 180 yards as a senior. USC's Jerry Cipa was the only other TE who went to the combine, and while his 500 yards and 5 TD as a senior outperformed the other two combined, he had injury risk and a weak combine. The depth of the class was considered weak but passable. Miami's Rick Philcox and TCU's Paul Carter-Williams were next highly ranked while some people favored later projected prospects from the ACC - Georgia Tech's Kendall Brandon and Clemson's Quentin McCullough. Highest Pick: Huff, 49th overall to the Seahawks. Best Player: We're going away from the top player in the class for once. Cipa has just one season below 500 receiving yards so far in his career, and made his first Pro Bowl in 2020 after putting up a incredible 78 reception, 1058 yard, 9 TD season. While he's now having probably his worst season, that Pro Bowl nod (compared to Huff's nod for a more pedestrian season) gets him the pick. Biggest Bust: Kelly Littleton was just pedestrian in Jacksonville, putting up some decent seasons but ultimately falling off and eventually getting traded to the Panthers. He backed up Curtis Henry during his incredible rookie season and then got traded to Houston once again, where he ended up out for the season. He's still on a roster but since he's not starting - he's behind the depth chart to a guy picked later than him - and has the worst stats of the guys drafted in the first four rounds he gets the nod. Best Value: Kendall Brandon was widely considered the best backup TE in the league in 2019 and 2020 as though he didn't put up much production, he played well as a blocker and was getting some good progressions. After refusing to re-sign in Miami he landed in Houston, pairing up with Alex Leshoure to put up 44 receptions for 684 yards and 8 TD thus far. Not bad for a guy picked 180th overall. Offensive Linemen Conventional Wisdom: This was an incredible offensive tackle class. 15 went in the first 60 picks. There was some debate as to whether Florida State's Grey Brown, Oklahoma State's Ryan Robinson, or Michigan State's Robert Haynes were the best in the class, and some really liked Wisconsin's Gary Tomlinson as a former walk-on farmhand country boy. The guard class was much weaker as Clemson's John Tripucka was the only one who even received a combine invite. Center had three solid prospects - Arizona State's TJ Brumm was nimble though injury prone, Washington's Don Teteak was the biggest and strongest, and Utah's Lloyd Nieves had playcalling experience. The offensive tackles were clearly the best feature, however. Highest Pick: Brown, 7th overall to the Lions. Best Player: Going strictly by overall, the answer is clearly Grey Brown as he has now hit a 96 overall and was a 2018 and 2019 Pro Bowler. An argument could be made for Ryan Robinson as he was a 2019 All-Pro along with a 2018 and 2019 Pro Bowler. Gary Tomlinson was a 2019 and 2020 Pro Bowler as well, though he's likely third best overall. Biggest Bust: There are a surprisingly large amount of busts in the first round. G John Tripucka (17th overall to Seattle) is an 87; OT Glenn Boyd (20th overall to Jacksonville) is an 85; OT Wesley Dawkins (21st overall to New Orleans) is an 86; and C TJ Brumm (24th to NYJ, now on Arizona) is an 85. Since Tripucka was a pick largely functioning from need, I'd give the overall nod to Glenn Boyd. Best Value: Forgive me if I missed someone, this is pretty tough to do when functioning from just overall. I'd give it to Ravens OT Carlos Gothard from Clemson, the 16th OT off the board in the 3rd round and now an 85 overall and starter in Baltimore. Chiefs' 4th round OG Boyd Buckley is also a starter, though he's just an 82 overall. Defensive Linemen Conventional Wisdom: Oklahoma State's Anthony Ortiz was super, super good. He even got some future Heisman hype but ended up declaring early. The rest of the defensive ends were just okay, although some liked Navy's Demarius Strong or Auburn's Brett Bailey. The defensive tackles didn't have a star player, but had a lot of good ones. Texas' Marlin Eason was coming off of a 9 sack season, Nebraska's Carnell Meadows was a strong run stopper who showed up the combine, and USC's Mike Wohlabaugh had the highest overall. Jones County Junior College entrant Kenneth Clarke was an intriguing prospect and Boise State's Nathan Knowlton had a strong combine despite a complete lack of pass rushing ability. Highest Pick: Ortiz, 3rd overall to the Bills. Best Player: Yeah, it's Ortiz. Wohlabaugh and Eason are good players, Meadows has had strong production at times, and Bailey has the NFLHC record for most sacks in a game, but Ortiz is clearly the best overall player. He's made the last two Pro Bowls, now has three consecutive seasons with at least 10 sacks, and has 46.5 through his five-year career thus far. Enough said. Biggest Bust: Man, those junior college players were intriguing... if only any that weren't linebackers turned out well. Kenneth Clarke was the 37th overall pick. He's now a 75 overall, has only made a statsheet one time in his career, and has no recorded career stats. Yeesh. Best Value: Big 6 foot 8 nose tackle Reggie Hedberg went to the expansion Eagles in the 4th round and so had the immediate opportunity to start. He didn't manage a sack as a rookie but played the run well, and still functions mainly as a run stopper, but he does have 12 career sacks to his name at this point. Fellow 4th rounder Joseph Owen has started a few games in New England and has 4.5 sacks with 2 FF and 2 FR this season. Linebackers Conventional Wisdom: Top two inside linebackers, Alabama's Tunch Richardson and Houston's Phillip Moore, dominated in college and were expected to be high draft picks. Preference came down to those who preferred athleticism and big game experience (Tunch) or intelligence and leadership (Moore). Texas A&M's Alex Martin wasn't considered a first round prospect though he eventually went there, but 76 tackles as a senior did help his case. Only Oklahoma State's Dewey Tomlinson and USC's Jimmy Workman got combine invites at ILB, but neither were regarded highly. Some thought fondly of Illinois' Zion Adakwa who produced well on a bad Illini team. At outside linebacker, Kansas State's David Doherty received incredible acclaim and was thought to the best OLB prospect since Tyrone Jones by some, although his production as a senior (55 tackles and a sack) was just alright. There were some decent second round prospects as well, like Arizona State's Thomas Barry and Minnesota's Leigh Davey. Highest Pick: Doherty, 12th overall. Best Player: Surprisingly, Alex Martin is the highest rated not just linebacker but defensive player from this class but I think the overall nod goes to Doherty. Despite a down 2021, he was a 2020 All-Pro at a stacked edge position and is the only player in this class to have made the Pro Bowl in all four possible seasons in which he could have made it. Doherty was starting to stack up the resume of a future Hall of Famer, although this down year doesn't help; but with the Titans having clinched their first division title and playoff appearance, some playoff accolades could help him out anyway. Biggest Bust: Up until his solid 2020, you could easily have argued for Moore; now, I'd go with 2nd round pick Tom Johnson who just hasn't progressed or produced much in his career. Boring pick, but there aren't many other choices here. Best Value: Adakwa is my (homer) pick here. Having progressed to an 89 overall already, his departure to Seattle for a fully guaranteed 4 year $46 million deal has hurt the Jets defensive significantly and despite never producing gaudy stats his impact as a defensive leader has always been felt. Honorable mention to now-49ers OLB Chris Reed, who went just two picks after Adakwa, having gone +5 this prior offseason and generally becoming a consistent producer in San Fran. Defensive Backs Conventional Wisdom: Alabama's Mike Gradishar was generally looked at as the top DB in the class. Some liked intriguing 4.5/4.5 early entry Laurent Christensen from Army, while Oregon product Corey Quinn destroyed the combine after a 4 interception senior year. Florida State's Michael Barber was a sneaky first round pick after a solid combine. Michigan State's Brandon Sauter was considered by far the best safety prospect in the class as someone who could both ballhawk and hit hard and his combine only confirmed that. Iowa State's Adam Newman topped Sauter's combine, who up to that point would have had the best strong safety combine in any class. And a lot of scouts loved Fresno State's Romulus Jackson after he nabbed 7 interceptions as a senior. There was a giant need for free safety throughout NFLHC... and yet zero were invited to the combine. A bunch of them were overdrafted and unsurprisingly none turned out very well. Highest Pick: Gradishar, 6th overall to Oakland. Best Player: By overall, it's Sauter. Corner is a more valuable position, and I'd be inclined to give it to Quinn, who's pretty close to Sauter but is struggling significantly in his transition to #1 corner this season; Gradishar has had a solid overall career as well. But Sauter has been the most consistent of all of them and his 7-interception 2018 is tied for the highest in a season with any of the corners in this season, so with his impact as an enforcer I'd give it to him overall. Biggest Bust: He's had a decent career to this point, but overall it's Michael Barber who went 32nd to Washington. Still a starter, he's a risk-taking ballhawk who doesn't get enough interceptions to justify his lapses in coverage. He's generally good for 2-4 interceptions a year but with Washington not that strong in coverage he's generally a weakness more than he's a strength, and at just 84 overall he probably won't be a starter for too much longer. Best Value: 5th round SS Norris Nolan has started in New England since his rookie year and he's always been solid - I'd actually describe him similarly to Barber in terms of interceptions and risk except he's higher overall and only cost a 5th round pick instead of a 1st. 5th round FS LaMichael Jones was one of the best taken despite being the 7th free safety taken. 4th round corner Lynn Perry has been a solid mainstay in the nickel for Baltimore and is good for an interception or two yearly. Indy's SS Chris Brown, taken at the 2nd to last pick of the 2nd, as though his stats aren't flashy he's a solid run stopper, fast enough to play proper coverage, and still able to nab a couple interceptions a season. His overall has also pretty consistently progressed him to the caliber of the first round guys of this same class. Special Teams Conventional Wisdom: Jason Sochia, Notre Dame's wiz-kid punter/kicker kicked a solid 75% on field goals while leading the nation in punting average. The kickers were highly regarded, with Texas' Gino Chiaverini, the nation's most accurate kicker, UCLA's Chris Hoag, the nation's strongest-legged kicker, and Florida State's Dennis Scott, a combination of the previously two mentioned attributes, were generally considered the best 3. Some liked Pitt's Stanley Brewster, although I'm not sure why. Highest Pick: Hoag, 104th overall to the Jets. Best Player: Hoag is actually having one of the best kicking seasons in NFLHC in 2021, but was relatively inconsistent up to this point. Chiaverini was probably the best kicker to this point, having been as advertised accuracy-wise. However, I'd give the overall nod to Sochia, the highest overall player to come out of the class and currently the NFLHC leader in punting average. Unlike Hoag, who's only been this good in 2021, he's been one of the top 5 punters in NFLHC essentially since he entered the league. Biggest Bust: Brewster was the 5th kicker off the board, 169th overall to the Giants. An 82 overall accuracy kicker who had a solid combine, he seemed destined to at least be a decent NFLHC kicker. It wasn't meant to be, as after missing just one kick per season in his first two years he kicked just 78% on field goal tries in his next two years and began missing extra points once they were moved back. After being let go by new GM deandean1998 he hasn't been able to find another NFLHC job. Best Value: Northwest Mississippi Community College Leon Woodruff was the 9th and final kicker off the board, but he's put in 5 solid seasons of work in Tennessee and has been an accurate 85% career kicker. Not too bad considering a few busts and worse kickers went ahead of him. Best and Worst Performing Teams The 2017 class was so rough in the late rounds that I have to award the best class to a team that only got production from their two first round picks. The Raiders got Mike Gradishar, a quality #1 CB, and Alex Martin, the highest rated defensive player and solid ILB, with their two first round picks. With no second round pick there isn't much to penalize there, and though 3rd round RB Chester Dorenbos was a bust there was no team that managed to avoid drafting busts. The value of those two first round picks on Vegas' solid defense is too much to pass up. The Texans, meanwhile, had a rough draft class. Despite 2 2nd round picks and 7 picks in the first four rounds total, not a single player still starts in NFLHC, let alone for the Texans. None of the players they drafted remain on the roster just 4 seasons later. The best pick was probably WR Gordon Kleinsasser, a guy who has declined from his rookie overall, or DT Nathan Knolwton who can't even nab a starting job on the Chargers.
  20. Here's an article I wrote a few months ago about this class: http://cfbhc.com/index.php?/topic/22226-re-visiting-the-2017-nflhc-draft/