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    Pre-Season roster rules

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    Trying this for 2022. 

     

    In the pre-season, each team must play their team's projected starters against the other team's projected starters in week 3.  You may exempt five veteran starters with at least five years of experience in the league (5 in the player line) from this game if you wish.  These players must be indicated in the inactive list on your depth chart for that game.  You may also substitute one of those 5 players with your starting QB if they are not yet a 5 year veteran. 

     

    You may do whatever you want in the other 3 pre-season games, but we'd like to see less starters Vs. backups games because they are pretty pointless for evaluation.  If you are planning on playing starters in another game, try to coordinate with the other team's coach so they can do the same.

     

    A team that does not comply with this rule will have their entire team lose a large amount of starting fitness, and likely lose practices as well.

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    3 hours ago, DStack11 said:

    Any chance this could be week 1 instead? Rather have the extra couple weeks to get healthy should any of my starters become injured playing in the preseason.

    not this year.

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    3 hours ago, DStack11 said:

    Any chance this could be week 1 instead? Rather have the extra couple weeks to get healthy should any of my starters become injured playing in the preseason.

    Just here to second this, I'm fine with it this year but would absolutely prefer W1 for starters!

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    1 hour ago, alienufo said:

    not this year.

     

    I completely understand the point that simming four weeks of backups v backups or backups v starters adds little value to the game (though I do think it's extremely useful for evaluating depth and potential) and is probably a pain in the ass, in general.

     

    But if I may, I'd like to suggest a possible alternative to encourage the type of preseason game play that's being sought out:

     

    What if teams who choose to play starters received a slight boost in chemistry/fitness instead of punishing teams who choose to evaluate their depth and rest starters? Perhaps two teams that agree to play starters against one another receive an extra bonus on top (I imagine this would be capped, however).

     

    This way young teams and/or coaches who are changing schemes benefit from playing starters while teams with established rosters/schemes don't have to unnecessarily risk veteran player health in a preseason game, but as a result, wouldn't reap any of the chemistry/fitness benefit.

     

    I would think this would encourage the type of game play being looked for and may even have an ancillary benefit of added risk/reward strategy for coaches.

     

    If this idea is well received I'm happy to post in the appropriate suggestions thread. Just throwing out two cents.

     

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    1 hour ago, DStack11 said:

     

    I completely understand the point that simming four weeks of backups v backups or backups v starters adds little value to the game (though I do think it's extremely useful for evaluating depth and potential) and is probably a pain in the ass, in general.

     

    But if I may, I'd like to suggest a possible alternative to encourage the type of preseason game play that's being sought out:

     

    What if teams who choose to play starters received a slight boost in chemistry/fitness instead of punishing teams who choose to evaluate their depth and rest starters? Perhaps two teams that agree to play starters against one another receive an extra bonus on top (I imagine this would be capped, however).

     

    This way young teams and/or coaches who are changing schemes benefit from playing starters while teams with established rosters/schemes don't have to unnecessarily risk veteran player health in a preseason game, but as a result, wouldn't reap any of the chemistry/fitness benefit.

     

    I would think this would encourage the type of game play being looked for and may even have an ancillary benefit of added risk/reward strategy for coaches.

     

    If this idea is well received I'm happy to post in the appropriate suggestions thread. Just throwing out two cents.

     

    Positive incentives for this would not be strong enough to overcome people's fear of injuries, unless they were so strong as to be somewhat game breaking.

     

    It also would kind of defeats the purpose of having teams a more equal game, because few teams would take advantage. If one team wants to play starters  another doesn't, both teams get screwed out of being able to evaluate players against similarly skilled opponents.  That's why I allowed the sitting of 5 vets, so you can make a choice about who your most important players are and protect them.  

     

    I think having everyone on the same standard is essential for this to work.  Tweaks to the system will probably happen next year but I want to see how this plays out, then gather feedback.

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    7 minutes ago, alienufo said:

    Positive incentives for this would not be strong enough to overcome people's fear of injuries

     

    This statement actually validates teams' concerns of dictating how their personnel is to be used in the preseason, but I digress.

     

    Rules is rules so it appears to be moot. Can we quantify what a "large amount of fitness" and "likely" loss of practices would be ahead of the 3rd week of preseason?

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    1 minute ago, DStack11 said:

     

    This statement actually validates teams' concerns of dictating how their personnel is to be used in the preseason, but I digress.

     

    Rules is rules so it appears to be moot. Can we quantify what a "large amount of fitness" and "likely" loss of practices would be ahead of the 3rd week of preseason? 

    Can't quantify what a large amount is, that would be up to Soluna. I don't know how it works internally to know how much is a proper amount.

     

    The "likely loss of practices" is basically an additional punishment for people who completely disregard this rule (playing no starters) versus appearing to try to comply but fucking up (like they sat 7 or 8 vets instead of 5).

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    47 minutes ago, TheTodd15 said:

    I know this is rare but we have one position, FS, who the guys are within one skill point and I'm not sure who will be the starter. I assume in cases like this either one would be considered the projected starter?

    if theres a true roster battle like this, you can play either one.

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    33 minutes ago, alienufo said:

    if theres a true roster battle like this, you can play either one.

     

    Can we get a list of criteria that will be used to determine when a team is playing what the league office considers a "starter" or not?

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    18 minutes ago, Broletariat said:

     

    Can we get a list of criteria that will be used to determine when a team is playing what the league office considers a "starter" or not? 

    things that will be looked at:
    did they start last year (for any team) for the majority of the season?

    is there a significantly higher rated player at this position?

    were they inactive for other pre-season games where backups played?

    when week 1 rolls around, are they starting?

     

    Obviously some of these have some amount of leeway and are not totally clear cut.  But it will be pretty obvious if people are attempting to game this system when you take these into account.

     

    Also, players that are currently injured (even minor injuries) will not count for your 5 inactives.

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    @alienufo

     

    How should we designate the players? Is something like this acceptable?

     

    INACTIVE

    QB Rob LeCount 6-3 212 7 Michigan [Pocket] [0] 88 - Exempt

    OT Grey Brown 6-6 308 5 Florida State [Pass Blocking] [0/C] 97 - Exempt

    OG LaMont Sheriff 6-7 298 6 Virginia Tech [Pass Blocking] [-1] 97 - Exempt

    DT Earl Jackson 6-3 293 7 Oklahoma State [2-Gap] [-2/C] 93 - Exempt

    CB Keyshawn Thompson 6-2 181 7 Michigan State [Zone Coverage] [0] 94 - Exempt

    WR Rex Walsh 5-11 165 4 Florida State [Target] [0] 84 - Starter but Injured

    WR Tyrone Cunningham 6-0 222 3 Arizona [Target] [0] 81 - Starter but Injured

    TE Anthony Fasani 6-6 222 6 Nebraska [Receiving] [0] 84 - Possible Starter but Injured

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    42 minutes ago, SlinkyJr said:

    @alienufo

     

    How should we designate the players? Is something like this acceptable?

     

    INACTIVE

    QB Rob LeCount 6-3 212 7 Michigan [Pocket] [0] 88 - Exempt

    OT Grey Brown 6-6 308 5 Florida State [Pass Blocking] [0/C] 97 - Exempt

    OG LaMont Sheriff 6-7 298 6 Virginia Tech [Pass Blocking] [-1] 97 - Exempt

    DT Earl Jackson 6-3 293 7 Oklahoma State [2-Gap] [-2/C] 93 - Exempt 

    CB Keyshawn Thompson 6-2 181 7 Michigan State [Zone Coverage] [0] 94 - Exempt

    WR Rex Walsh 5-11 165 4 Florida State [Target] [0] 84 - Starter but Injured

    WR Tyrone Cunningham 6-0 222 3 Arizona [Target] [0] 81 - Starter but Injured

    TE Anthony Fasani 6-6 222 6 Nebraska [Receiving] [0] 84 - Possible Starter but Injured

    my depth chart has the correct format

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