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[2023] Week #13 - 4 PM

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Jacksonville Jaguars (9-2) at Seattle Seahawks (4-7)

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Jacksonville Jaguars (9-2) at Seattle Seahawks (4-7)

Seattle, WA - 48 F :cloudy:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:jaguars: Jacksonville Jaguars (9-2) 10 7 7 6 - 30
:seahawks Seattle Seahawks (4-7) 3 6 7 3 - 19
Team Stats Comparison
  :jaguars: Jacksonville Jaguars :seahawks Seattle Seahawks
Injuries WR Antonio Caldwell - Minor Concussion TE Scott Howard - Mild Thumb Fracture
Top Player Grade CB DeSean Barkley (8.93) OLB Kenji Sagatomo (6.96)
Worst Player Grade OLB Jeff Williams (2.84) DE Travis Napier (1.20)
Offensive Line Rating 8.29 8.19
Sacks 2 1
Punting 48.3 45.3
Punt Return Yards 7 3
Kick Return Yards 45 45
Turnovers 0 0
3rd Down Conversion 6/12 4/13
4th Down Conversion 0/0 0/0
Penalties 9/67 6/30
:jaguars: Jacksonville Jaguars
Pro Style - Pro Style
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Taylor Rodriguez 22/33 291 1 0 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Asante Sowell 19 72 1 22 0/0
Isaiah Peko 3 15 1 11 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Marcus Holmes 5 90 0 0 0/0
Raheem Robinson 5 64 1 0 0/0
Taylor Eifert 3 44 0 0 0/0
Tyrone Turner 2 34 0 0 0/0
Isaiah Peko 2 32 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Ron Rice 3/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Preston Bryant 2/1 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Christian Haywood 6/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Logan Bowser 6/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Seth Scott 3/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Alejandro Aguirre

1/1

45

 

0/0

 

 

0/0

 

 

2/2

37

35

0/0

 

 

3/3

 

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
CB DeSean Barkley allowed 0 receptions in this game.
:seahawks Seattle Seahawks
Spread Option - Option
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Tucker Dowden 10/17 120 0 0 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Emmanuel Fields 20 80 0 16 0/0
Tucker Dowden 6 41 1 23 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Samuel Gulla 2 40 0 0 0/0
Scott Howard 3 24 0 0 0/0
William Johnson 1 20 0 0 0/0
Jordan Godson 1 16 0 0 0/0
Josiah McCray 2 13 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Kenji Sagatomo 4/1 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Kevin Faulkner 8/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Tyler Patino 4/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Tavarius Hicks 4/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Malcolm Douglas-Scott 3/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Chris Ritter

1/1

29

 

2/2

46

43

0/0

 

 

1/1

34

 

0/0

 

 

1/1

 

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
DE Brian Glenn missed two series in the 2Q with an ankle sprain.

 

Las Vegas Raiders (7-4) at Denver Broncos (2-9)

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Las Vegas Raiders (7-4) at Denver Broncos (2-9)

Denver, CO - 46 F :cloudy:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:raiders: Las Vegas Raiders (7-4) 10 7 14 14 - 45
:broncos: Denver Broncos (2-9) 0 3 7 0 - 10
Team Stats Comparison
  :raiders: Las Vegas Raiders :broncos: Denver Broncos
Injuries No Injuries WR Gavin Faulk - Mild Thumb Sprain
Top Player Grade QB Nick Hall (9.74) WR Derrick Schwartz (6.96)
Worst Player Grade DT SIlas Booker (2.04) FS Kofi Neal (0.83)
Offensive Line Rating 8.09 8.17
Sacks 2 4
Punting 46.6 43.2
Punt Return Yards 22 0
Kick Return Yards 23 84
Turnovers 0 2
3rd Down Conversion 8/11 2/12
4th Down Conversion 0/0 0/0
Penalties 10/85 11/89
:raiders: Las Vegas Raiders
Pro Style - Vertical
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Nick Hall 35/51 435 4 0 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Major Morris 14 88 1 28 0/0
Ricky Lewis 2 3 0 3 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Mike Tripplett 9 155 1 1 0/0
Lamont Crawford 10 132 1 0 0/0
Brian Gary 6 72 1 0 0/0
Jahmir Rolle 4 25 0 0 0/0
Ibrahim Smiley 3 22 1 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Antonio Burch 4/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Adam Young 3/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Jamie Price 4/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Shah Vereen 2/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Sergio Miller 7/0 - 0/0 1/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Matt Fisk

1/1

43

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

6/6

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
RB Major Morris missed two series in the 3Q with a minor ankle injury and was replaced by RB Ricky Lewis.
:broncos: Denver Broncos
Spread Option - Option
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Troy McMurray 11/20 153 0 2 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Troy McMurray 9 56 1 29 0/0
Brendan Milton 14 49 0 10 2/0
Nathaniel Ruff 2 -3 0 -1 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Derrick Schwartz 4 62 0 0 0/0
Sean Waller 1 21 0 0 0/0
Doug Bosley 2 18 0 0 0/0
Nathaniel Ruff 1 14 0 0 0/0
Gavin Faulk 1 12 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Deyonte Davis 2/2 2.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Cameron Jonah 5/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Michael Carroll 3/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Griffin Perrin 4/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Jordan Westbrook 3/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Louis Dwyer

0/1

46RU

1/1

32

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

1/1

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
CB Jordan Westbrook gave up 10 receptions for 147 yards throughout the game.

 

Detroit Lions (10-1) at Los Angeles Chargers (4-7)

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Detroit Lions (10-1) at Los Angeles Chargers (4-7)

Inglewood, CA - 68 F :sunny:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:fibur: Detroit Lions (10-1) 14 14 0 7 - 35
:chargers: Los Angeles Chargers (4-7) 0 0 0 0 - 0
Team Stats Comparison
  :fibur: Detroit Lions :chargers: Los Angeles Chargers
Injuries OT Grey Brown - Severe Shoulder Rotator Cuff WR Jarvis Ward - Severe ACL Rupture
Top Player Grade DE Doug Carolan (9.42) ILB Bradley Rainey (7.32)
Worst Player Grade SS Myles Hamilton (3.05) SS Christopher Malone (0.66)
Offensive Line Rating 8.23 8.20
Sacks 4 1
Punting 48.9 45.2
Punt Return Yards 32 6
Kick Return Yards 29 82
Turnovers 0 3
3rd Down Conversion 6/12 3/13
4th Down Conversion 0/0 0/1
Penalties 6/39 9/63
:fibur: Detroit Lions
Pro Style - Pistol
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Rob LeCount 22/37 215 2 0 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Kenyon Randall 17 101 1 28 1/0
Calvin Jones 6 35 1 13 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Timothy Perez 6 95 1 0 0/0
Jeremy Cook 4 45 0 1 0/0
Artemio Ramirez 3 26 1 0 0/0
Austin Medina 4 23 0 1 0/0
Rashad Simon 2 21 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Marquise Holliday 4/0 - 1/1 0/0 1/0
Brent Johnson 1/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Doug Carolan 4/2 2.0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Earl Jackson 2/0 1.0 0/0 0/1 0/0
Ilan Kuhn 1/0 0.5 0/0 1/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Brent Hankton

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

5/5

 

ADDITIONAL INFO

QB Rob LeCount completed 11 consecutive passes in 2Q and 3Q.

 

:chargers: Los Angeles Chargers
Pro Style - Pistol
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Matty Swift 16/39 155 0 2 2/1
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Joseph Saunders 7 2 0 3 0/0
Frederick Chacon 2 -1 0 1 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Greg Cobb 6 53 0 1 0/0
Mark Harrington 2 32 0 2 0/0
William Moore 2 21 0 0 0/0
Reggie Sayers 2 16 0 0 0/0
Joseph Saunders 1 12 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Isaiah Hall 1/1 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Bradley Rainey 7/0 - 0/0 1/0 0/0
John Kearns 5/2 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Tunch Richardson 5/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Khalil Dennis 5/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Rafael Davidson

0/0

 

0/1

44WR

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
CB Ian Garner gave up two completions longer than 30 yards in the 1Q.

 

Minnesota Vikings (4-7) at Kansas City Chiefs (9-2)

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Minnesota Vikings (4-7) at Kansas City Chiefs (9-2)

Kansas City, MO - 49 F :sunny:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:vikings: Minnesota Vikings (4-7) 7 10 0 3 0 20
:chiefs: Kansas City Chiefs (9-2) 7 7 3 3 6 26
Team Stats Comparison
  :vikings: Minnesota Vikings :chiefs: Kansas City Chiefs
Injuries No Injuries TE Spec Davidson - Mild Wrist Sprain
Top Player Grade C John Hadley (9.84) WR Justin Hill (8.88)
Worst Player Grade Tyler Trent (3.48) FS Samuel Porter (2.85)
Offensive Line Rating 8.23 8.39
Sacks 0 1
Punting 43.2 45.1
Punt Return Yards 3 9
Kick Return Yards 53 32
Turnovers 2 2
3rd Down Conversion 5/13 4/11
4th Down Conversion 0/0 0/1
Penalties 8/46 5/25
:vikings: Minnesota Vikings
Spread - Pistol
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Blair Holcomb 18/32 237 1 2 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Evan Grant 21 99 1 17 1/0
Isaac Wilson 6 29 0 13 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Jacory Kessler 5 70 1 1 0/0
Mohamed Charles 2 43 0 1 0/0
Eugene Jackson 3 42 0 0 0/0
Wayne Wegert 2 38 0 0 0/0
Luke Cobb 2 24 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Eric Jones 5/0 - 1/1 0/0 0/0
Levern White 2/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Cleveland Merrill 6/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
D'Onta Nelly 5/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Paul Goodman 3/1 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Sam Gilligan

0/0

 

1/1

34

0/1

43WR

1/1

50

0/0

 

2/2

 

ADDITIONAL INFO

C John Hadley allowed 0 pressures on QB Blair Holcomb.

 

:chiefs: Kansas City Chiefs
Spread - Pro Style
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Ryan Harris 23/40 329 2 2 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Terrence Rodgers 22 87 1 23 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Justin Hill 7 131 1 0 0/0
Daniel Hobbs 3 84 0 1 0/0
Kevin Branch 3 32 0 1 0/0
Ryan Childs 2 29 0 0 0/0
Jariel Rosario 3 24 1 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Bradley Nunn 2/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Fred Young 1/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Devin Stephens 4/0 0.5 0/0 0/0 0/0
Sean Springs 3/0 0.5 0/0 0/0 0/0
Cameron Riley 4/0 - 0/1 1/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Ryan Levcik

0/0

 

0/0

 

1/1

22

1/1

24

0/0

 

2/2

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
TE Spec Davidson was injured on a late hit at 1Q 10:42 and was replaced the rest of the game by TE Jariel Rosario.

 

Arizona Cardinals (2-9) at Los Angeles Rams (5-6)

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Arizona Cardinals (2-9) at Los Angeles Rams (5-6)

Inglewood, CA - 66 F :sunny:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:cardinals: Arizona Cardinals (2-9) 10 7 14 3 - 34
:rams: Los Angeles Rams (5-6) 3 7 14 7 - 31
Team Stats Comparison
  :cardinals: Arizona Cardinals :rams: Los Angeles Rams
Injuries TE Michael Baxter - Mild Ankle Fracture WR Allen Lara-Cruz III - Mild Toe Sprain
Top Player Grade CB Aaron Samuelsson (9.36) SS Brandon Sauter (8.93)
Worst Player Grade FS Oronde Jackson (2.50) CB Zaire Hooker (1.35)
Offensive Line Rating 8.15 8.21
Sacks 2 2
Punting 47.2 45.3
Punt Return Yards 3 5
Kick Return Yards 67 72
Turnovers 1 1
3rd Down Conversion 5/12 6/13
4th Down Conversion 1/1 0/0
Penalties 3/17 8/62
:cardinals: Arizona Cardinals
Spread - Flexbone
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
A.J. Jefferson 26/36 382 4 1 1/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Trevon Yeldon 16 70 0 15 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Marcus Banks 6 112 1 0 0/0
Tyrone Cunningham 5 98 1 0 0/0
Tom Oldham 3 67 0 0 0/0
Joseph Thurston 5 63 2 1 0/0
Emanuelu Lesa 3 52 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Joel Prince 1/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Samir Sample 3/1 1.0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Israel Parson 2/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Shaq Turner 5/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Aaron Samuelsson 2/0 - 0/2 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Harrison Hacker

1/1

50

0/0

 

0/0

 

1/1

29

0/0

 

4/4

 

ADDITIONAL INFO

CB Aaron Samuelsson gave up only 2 receptions for 38 yards and managed to draw an offensive pass interference in the 3Q.

:rams: Los Angeles Rams
Pro Style - Vertical
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Darrell Murphy 26/51 309 4 1 1/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Daveed Knox 7 19 0 6 0/0
Terrell Holland 2 4 0 5 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Jamal Hawkins 9 95 1 0 0/0
Allama Banta 3 74 1 1 1/0
Walt Peck 4 53 0 1 0/0
John O'Donnell-Beavers 3 32 1 0 0/0
Allen Lara-Cruz III 2 23 1 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Daniel Watkins 4/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Leigh Davey 4/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Anthony Beltran 1/0 1.0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Brandon Sauter 8/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Stephen Elliott 5/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Sam Walsh

1/1

37

0/0

 

0/1

56SR

0/0

 

0/0

 

4/4

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
LAR did not have a submitted gameplan and an AI gameplan was used.

 

Chicago Bears (7-4) at Green Bay Packers (9-2)

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Chicago Bears (7-4) at Green Bay Packers (9-2)

Green Bay, WI - 39 F :windy:

1ST 2ND 3RD 4TH OT SCORE
:bears: Chicago Bears (7-4) 7 14 7 0 - 28
:packers: Green Bay Packers (9-2) 7 0 7 0 - 14
Team Stats Comparison
  :bears: Chicago Bears :packers: Green Bay Packers
Injuries No Injuries No Injuries
Top Player Grade FS Randall Jones (9.92) WR Justin McCain (7.80)
Worst Player Grade Tom Reis (3.03) DE Kaulana Groth (1.50)
Offensive Line Rating 8.22 8.25
Sacks 2 1
Punting 44.5 43.2
Punt Return Yards 26 0
Kick Return Yards 24 56
Turnovers 1 2
3rd Down Conversion 5/11 6/13
4th Down Conversion 0/0 0/1
Penalties 7/32 9/64
:bears: Chicago Bears
Spread Option - Option
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Mohammed Foster 14/27 151 1 1 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Mohammed Foster 8 84 1 44T 0/0
Vaughan Abraham 20 82 1 15 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
David Gaines 3 39 0 0 0/0
Charlie Paul 4 34 0 0 0/0
Donnie Allen 3 32 0 0 0/0
Vaughan Abraham 2 23 1 0 0/0
Aaron Pagliei 1 10 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Ivory Hull 2/0 - 1/2 0/0 0/0
Jaylen Harris 5/0 - 1/0 0/0 0/0
Ezekiel Williams Jr. 4/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
David Medley 2/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Patrick Haines 8/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Cliff Chamblin

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

4/4

 

ADDITIONAL INFO

FS Randall Jones gave up no receptions in this game.

 

:packers: Green Bay Packers
Spread - Pistol
PASSING C/A YDS TD INT F/L
Jason Johnson 19/35 180 1 2 0/0
RUSHING ATT YDS TD LNG F/L
Jaz Durant 11 44 0 12 0/0
Gil Novacek 4 9 1 4T 0/0
- - - - - 0/0
RECEIVING REC YDS TD DRP F/L
Justin McCain 7 85 1 0 0/0
Dan Nomellini 2 32 0 1 0/0
Freddie Jackson 4 22 0 1 0/0
Manny Ferguson 2 19 0 0 0/0
Artavius Hopkins 1 14 0 0 0/0
DEFENSE T/TFL SCK INT/PD FF/FR TD/SFTY
Julio Barnes 4/0 - 1/1 0/0 0/0
Tegray Wingard 3/0 1.0 0/0 0/0 0/0
Ryan Hanspard 7/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Jamal Harley 4/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
Brady Christiansen 3/0 - 0/0 0/0 0/0
KICKING 1Q 2Q 3Q 4Q OT XP
Brian Evans

0/0

 

0/1

50S

0/0

 

0/0

 

0/0

 

2/2

 

ADDITIONAL INFO
QB Jason Johnson completed no passes longer than 15 yards in the air.

 

 

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Making my defense run a lap for every yard rushing they allowed today smh

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Easy win

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Does Luke Cobb have any value now or is he a complete bust?

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Scott Howard nooooo

 

GG @Soluna

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MoFo :wub:

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4 minutes ago, Jieret said:

Scott Howard nooooo

 

GG @Soluna

 

GG see you in 2027.

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6 minutes ago, joedchi said:

Does Luke Cobb have any value now or is he a complete bust?

 

I'm not sure he's a true bust though, seems more like an injury bust at this point...

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Easy win

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11 minutes ago, SlinkyJr said:

Making my defense run a lap for every yard rushing they allowed today smh

 

Gonna make them run the last one backwards to account for the -1 yards Chacon ran?

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Dammit. Good game, Raiders. Back to the drawing board, again. 

 

Quite seriously, I would accept any and all thoughts on how to get this team playing better. 

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7 minutes ago, Soluna said:

 

I'm not sure he's a true bust though, seems more like an injury bust at this point...

 

Agreed.  Seems like IRL Kevin White.  Wonder if the Vikes move on from him and if someone gives him a chance.

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Also, I wonder if Jarvis Ward will follow the Luke Cobb route with his injury and he has been underwhelming so far.

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Honestly, we need to draft a QB, or develop Holcomb into not forcing passes into coverage, overall good effort. glad the scheme worked

Q U A L I T Y  L O S S

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Easy win (get us closer to higher draft picks Cards)

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Damn great performance despite the loss. Happy with the scheme change and Grant.

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Man why couldn't we have beat the Panthers too

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Free Marshawn Matthison 

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Man that was a demolition... Gg bingo. McMurray is exciting but damn he needs some help.

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I can’t get over the fact that Timothy Perez a guy we signed off the Redskins PS was the leading receiver in this game and had almost 100 yards. 

And 9 carries for 1 yard is crazy 

 

:firefirefire:

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Absolutely needed that one after the Carolina loss. Second win ever at Lambeau, first time that we've won in all four NFC North stadiums in the same year, Randall Jones's player grade is the highest we've ever had, Ivory Hull was unbreachable, and we will have at least a .500 record for just the second time ever. Most importantly, we're back in the hunt.

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At this point there are probably several college programs who have a better set of healthy offensive skill players than the Chargers.

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@stormstopper we are now just 4 Ws from you writing a song :eyes: said song has lit a fire under Desert Prophet AJJ apparently

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3 hours ago, FlutieFlakes said:

At this point there are probably several college programs who have a better set of healthy offensive skill players than the Chargers.

I’d say TCU but they just lost to K State so....

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